John Twelve Hawks Chat Log (24th May 2009)

Below is the log from the chat with John Twelve Hawks on 24th May 2009. If you notice any formatting errors please let me know in the comments below.

Also, feedback in the comments will be greatly received – would be good to know if people like this sort of thing, good points, bad points etc.

Ok, here it is:

8:58 PM kiakanpa: ok – we will be starting soon – john will be with us in around 3 min
8:58 PM Wave: excuse me, just read the news lol
8:58 PM kiakanpa: so, welcome to the chat, and for many of you, to
8:58 PM Wave: all the scandinavian language are odd to me
8:59 PM Wave:
8:59 PM elina: well, then finish will sweep you off your feet
8:59 PM Harmony: thanks, kiakanpa!
8:59 PM kiakanpa: many of you will know me from kiasworld – but i see we have many new people here today
8:59 PM kiakanpa: so, a quick intro
9:00 PM elina: shoot!
9:00 PM Delta62Thorn: *bang*
9:00 PM kiakanpa: i am Kia – and i worked on kiasworld for almost a year – before me and john set up
9:01 PM kiakanpa: as i am sure you can see, there is still much work still to be done on the site – so if you are interested in helping us out – please let me know, either here or in the wespeakforfreedom forum
9:02 PM tara: i make that 9 London time. How’s it looking?
9:02 PM kiakanpa: but we can talk more about wespeakforfreedom at the end of the chat – if people are interested.
9:02 PM TonyC: I’m Tony and I have been a fan of John and Kia’s work/sites for a while.
9:02 PM kiakanpa: John is joining us now – and will be staying with us for around 40 minutes
9:02 PM John12Hawks: Hello, everyone. And thank you, Kia for organizing this today. Half familiar names. Half new. Welcome to all of you.
9:02 PM Wave: hi john
9:02 PM kiakanpa: thanks john – and welcome
9:03 PM John12Hawks: Wespeakforfreedom is a political site, but…
9:03 PM PES: Hello John
9:03 PM TonyC: Welcome John.
9:03 PM Polaris: Hey John
9:03 PM Delta62Thorn: Hello!!!
9:03 PM elina: hi
9:03 PM Harmony: hi, John
9:03 PM John12Hawks: Today is for everyone. Pretty much open questions.
9:03 PM Delta62Thorn: @Kia:Do you realize that your chatroll profile has you as a 24 year old woman?
9:03 PM John12Hawks: I am, indeed, a 24 year old woman.
9:04 PM John12Hawks: News:The Golden City is coming out in September.
9:04 PM kiakanpa: @delta – lol – i should send you the photos – you should see me at the weekend
9:04 PM Delta62Thorn: September?
9:04 PM John12Hawks: September. And wespeakforfreedom will be
9:04 PM Delta62Thorn: I thought it was slated for Summer 2009?
9:04 PM John12Hawks: active in the next month or so.
9:04 PM John12Hawks: September 8th in USA.
9:04 PM Delta62Thorn: No bother…I have it reserved at Borders already
9:05 PM John12Hawks: The UK publisher has not given a date…because of Dan Brown’s book.
9:05 PM John12Hawks: lol
9:05 PM John12Hawks: So does anyone have a question.
9:05 PM tara: doesn’t want to ruin Dan’s day?
9:05 PM Harmony: ok- what would you like to see We speak for Freedom” achieve/manifest?”
9:06 PM John12Hawks: Kia and I have always seen the site as…
9:06 PM TonyC: I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say that we’re all looking forward to its release.
9:06 PM John12Hawks: A way to bring people together and…
9:06 PM John12Hawks: And way to organize future activity.
9:06 PM Wave: I have a question… i read on the website about meeting in UK and USA, and that for German there is another channel… well i live in german and i am interested
9:06 PM John12Hawks: Kia will be a clearing house for that.
9:06 PM tara: do you believe you are currently under surveillance from the very powers you describe?
9:07 PM John12Hawks: In general, yes.
9:07 PM John12Hawks: But not specifically.
9:07 PM John12Hawks: Because I conceal myself very well.
9:07 PM tara: not specifically targeted because of the book you write?
9:07 PM Delta62Thorn: May I propose a plan to create specific stickers? I am going to college come this fall and I am quite sure that campus is void of stickers (I still have some ‘Had Enough?’ stickers).
9:07 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Tara: when the movie comes out…
9:07 PM Delta62Thorn: *w00t*
9:07 PM John12Hawks: There will be a lot my scrutiny
9:08 PM John12Hawks: And attacks on me personally.
9:08 PM John12Hawks: Right now, I’m under the wire.
9:08 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Delta. There is going to be a new sticker contest.
9:08 PM John12Hawks: Stickers will be sent out both in Europe and USA.
9:08 PM jarganscott: Movie, huh? Is it going to be comprehensive, or a trilogy kinda thing or what?
9:09 PM John12Hawks: The best sticker placement — shown in a photo — will get signed copies of THE GOLDEN CITY.
9:09 PM Delta62Thorn: When the perverbial bullets start flying I think you’ve many people, I believe, who’d gladly stand behind you…and even in front of you.
9:09 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Delta. We shall see.
9:09 PM tara: do you think they will try to expose your identity?
9:09 PM susie: can i enter?
9:09 PM Delta62Thorn: Depends…do you have a dollar?
9:10 PM John12Hawks: Answer for jarganscott:The movie is not confirmed. I should know by September if it looks real” or not.”
9:10 PM kiakanpa: i will publish all the sticker details in a short while – for those interested in the new competition
9:10 PM jarganscott: mhmm
9:10 PM PES: Have you written other books under an alias, will the movie be like ‘golden compass’.
9:10 PM John12Hawks: The movie will have a budget of 100 to 120 million US dollars. It is a major decision.
9:11 PM Wave: it is possible to do also patches? i would like to put one on my brazilian jiu-jitsu gi
9:11 PM elina: question:you seem to know a lot about martial arts.. is there any special direction you’d recommend?
9:11 PM John12Hawks: Answer for PES. I hope it will be better the Golden Compass. Not a good film. LOL.
9:11 PM Delta62Thorn: I would run off stickers out of my pocket but (as a soon-to-be poor college student) my pockets aren’t even 100 USD deep.
9:11 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Elina, I started with standard karate
9:11 PM John12Hawks: and judo.
9:11 PM PES: Agree, one I read the books
9:12 PM John12Hawks: Now, because of leg problems, I use an Israeli form of martial arts.
9:12 PM tara: surely tibetan prayer ribbons are more appropriate than stickers
9:12 PM Delta62Thorn: But stickers are so much fun!!! THEY’RE STICKY!!!!!!!!
9:12 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Tara. You can use ribbons or stickers. Whatever you do is okay with me….
9:12 PM jarganscott: Book to movie conversions aren’t always the best. I just hope it does them justice.
9:13 PM Delta62Thorn: It wont. I have faith in the big screen companies killing something.
9:13 PM John12Hawks: Answer for jarganscott:the movie business is a place
9:13 PM John12Hawks: Where people EXPECT lying. Quite incredible.
9:13 PM Delta62Thorn:
9:14 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Jaganscott:an advance I have in the movie business is that I don’t want to meet movie stars. They still don’t believe that.
9:14 PM jarganscott: I’m sure it’s hard to spend time with people like that.
9:14 PM Wave: i have experienced working with politics and i think i can understand what you mean about expect lying””
9:14 PM John12Hawks: Exactly, wave.
9:14 PM Delta62Thorn: *wave*
9:14 PM tara: once this door is open (by the movie) and enters mainstream consciousness, the cat is out of the bag, no matter how poor the transition…
9:14 PM Harmony: just a bunch of corporaticians/policrats..
9:15 PM jarganscott: what bag!
9:15 PM John12Hawks: So, in general, the attention paid to the book, my life and this site will become MUCH stronger when the movie comes out.
9:15 PM elina: do you think you’ll be able to stay off the grid even then?
9:15 PM Wave: i am fucked, everyboy will think that i get my tattoo from the movie lol
9:15 PM jarganscott: Well that’s only natural. Couldn’t happen to a better author.
9:15 PM John12Hawks: I will be in Nepal/Tibet when the film comes out.
9:15 PM jarganscott: But I might have to pretend I don’t like you if you get too popular.
9:16 PM John12Hawks: Which is what happened with the books.
9:16 PM John12Hawks: I was in Rome/Ethiopia when the traveler was published.
9:16 PM Shellbay: Thomas Pynchon is also noted for protecting his privacy. If you know his work, has it influenced yours?
9:16 PM John12Hawks: I was in Rome/Ethiopia when the Traveler was published.
9:16 PM tara: if they do manage to expose you are you do you fear the message will be compromised?
9:16 PM elina: cool .- since you travel so much; any favourite places/countries you think I should see?
9:17 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Tara:I have discussed this with kia.
9:17 PM John12Hawks: I have a past which is political and Buddhist.
9:17 PM John12Hawks: I have been involved in political issues.
9:17 PM John12Hawks: People want to put a tag on you.
9:18 PM John12Hawks: So they don’t have to discuss the IDEAS.
9:18 PM TonyC: Question … What can you tell us about The Golden City?
9:18 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Elina:I love Ethiopia, Rome, Japan.
9:18 PM John12Hawks: Hi, Tony.
9:18 PM elina: thanks
9:18 PM John12Hawks: What do you want to know???
9:18 PM Alluscion: Hello, and thank you for allowing us this opprotunity to speak with you.Question:What sparked the birth of The Traveller? Was it something you had always intended on creating? Or had it just come out of the blue?
9:19 PM TonyC: Hi John, Hope your well?
9:19 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Alluscion. The three books are very personal. Very autobiographical.
9:19 PM John12Hawks: But what happened was this…
9:19 PM Wave: for sure the original message will be lost in the way fromthe books to movie to normal people… i think the people involved in the site and everything else will have a hard time to defend the original meaning
9:19 PM John12Hawks: Seven years ago, I had a severe crisis in my life and,..
9:19 PM John12Hawks: Had a vision of the alternative world.
9:20 PM John12Hawks: So I locked myself up in room for a year and wrote the books.
9:20 PM John12Hawks: It pretty much ended my old” life.”
9:20 PM John12Hawks: Wrote the book — the traveler.
9:21 PM John12Hawks: Answer for wave:People can approach the books any way they wish. It’s their choice.
9:21 PM Shellbay: Hello, I’m new to the site. Question …
9:22 PM John12Hawks: Go ahead
9:22 PM Shellbay: Any particular literary influences?
9:22 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Shellbay:Orwell (for politics)
9:22 PM John12Hawks: I have basically read everything — but not in the classroom.
9:23 PM John12Hawks: I see GREAT film on the same level as GREAT fiction.
9:23 PM elina: how some you chose to publish the book under the namne john twelve hawks?
9:23 PM Alluscion: It is amazing the light that can be birthed from the severity of darkness. Your sharing of this has great and subtle influence on those I know who have read your books, and I think it is one of the great cogs in the giant wheel we all need to be turning. Thank you again. I am grealty awwaiting the latest book.
9:23 PM Wave: do you think to write some other book or stories related to the fourth real trilogy? like prequel or stories from harlequins of the past…
9:23 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Elena:a great deal of nonsense has been written about my name…
9:24 PM John12Hawks: The real story is this…
9:24 PM John12Hawks: I was walking through a forest…
9:24 PM John12Hawks: Encountered a hawk nesting area…
9:24 PM John12Hawks: And 12 hawks circled around my head for about ten minutes….
9:24 PM John12Hawks: So close that the tip of their wings bushed the side of my head.
9:24 PM John12Hawks: That was why I picked the named. REAL hawks. Not symbolic one.
9:25 PM elina: well, that’s quite a story
9:25 PM jarganscott: Indeed.
9:25 PM Delta62Thorn: I’m just glad they didn’t eat you. Would have totally ruined my literary life.
9:25 PM John12Hawks: The book was accepted to be published…
9:25 PM Polaris: Hey John, how are you!? have you got plans for further books?
9:25 PM tara: what about maya? is that from buddhist teaching or the mayan peoples?
9:25 PM John12Hawks: It seemed WRONG to talk about the attack on freedom and privacy while I was hanging out on some TV talk show.
9:26 PM John12Hawks: The phrase is the USA is:if you want to talk the talk, you should walk the walk.
9:26 PM John12Hawks: In other words, you should try to live a life that
9:26 PM John12Hawks: Justifies the ideas you write about.
9:26 PM Delta62Thorn: POLARIS!!!!!!!! *hug* Long time no see!!! Like many many many months!!! How are you?
9:26 PM elina: That’s respectable.
9:27 PM jarganscott: In other words hypocrites are not cool.
9:27 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Polaris. Right now, I’m tired, but…
9:27 PM Harmony: John12Hawks, exactly (walk the walk)
9:27 PM John12Hawks: I have two active projects that I am considering.
9:27 PM John12Hawks: Both are SHORT. Not a trilogy!!!
9:27 PM Polaris: awesome Looking forward to them
9:28 PM Polaris: Hey Delta
9:28 PM Delta62Thorn: Ditto
9:28 PM Delta62Thorn: Hey
9:28 PM John12Hawks: Easy, Delta…
9:28 PM John12Hawks: A question…
9:29 PM John12Hawks: Go ahead. Don’t be shy…
9:29 PM Delta62Thorn: Easy Delta…” Hmm… I promise I wont bite!”
9:29 PM joyce24h: Hello Dear,I saw your profile today and i stopped to take a very good look at it. I want you to know that i will be intrested to know you better because you sounded very sweet in your profile and i will like us to become friends and know eachother the more.Here is my email address ( send me an email today please!Yours forever,I am waiting for your reply nowGod Bless youJoyce.
9:29 PM John12Hawks: Good to hear from you, Joyce.
9:29 PM kiakanpa: hmmm… that may be spam
9:29 PM jarganscott: haha
9:29 PM jarganscott: yes
9:29 PM Wave: lol
9:29 PM John12Hawks: I accept everyone as they are.
9:29 PM tara: did you get the name maya from one of buddhas temptations or the mayan peoples?
9:29 PM John12Hawks: Hope they will do that for me.
9:30 PM TonyC: She sounds like a lovely lady, dear!
9:30 PM John12Hawks: Maya took the name to bug her father.
9:30 PM Delta62Thorn: John, to be honest, I don’t have a question for you – I’m a tad pre-occupied with trying to write this Ethnographic Specialization Research Paper on Tibetan Buddhists…
9:30 PM John12Hawks: Do you understand why, Tara??
9:30 PM tara: no!
9:30 PM John12Hawks: Maya as illusion — not being real.
9:30 PM tara: but i can work on it!
9:31 PM tara: buddhas teachings then…
9:31 PM John12Hawks: Correct.
9:31 PM John12Hawks: Listen, there is an idea that I will announce here
9:31 PM John12Hawks: For the first time.
9:32 PM John12Hawks: There will be a formal announcement on johntwelvehawks
9:32 PM John12Hawks: It is the following…
9:32 PM John12Hawks: When THE GOLDEN CITY comes out…
9:32 PM John12Hawks: Anyone who wants, can be the author…
9:32 PM John12Hawks: What I want is John Twelve Hawks all over the world
9:32 PM Harmony:
9:32 PM John12Hawks: Doing a live time web cam event at their local book store…
9:33 PM tara: i’m game!
9:33 PM John12Hawks: I hope it will be fun and…
9:33 PM Polaris: hahah that would be awesome
9:33 PM John12Hawks: It shows that ANYONE can be the author…
9:33 PM Delta62Thorn: I hate to shoot holes in the bucket but wont that amount to mass fraud?
9:33 PM John12Hawks: That we have to get past the whole celebrity nonsense.
9:33 PM Harmony: the authors of our own freedom, way of life… musing, here
9:33 PM John12Hawks: Correct, Harmony.
9:33 PM elina: haha it’s a great idea
9:33 PM John12Hawks: More details will be coming…
9:33 PM Wave: impressive
9:34 PM Sharonna: good thinking as always
9:34 PM tara: well we are all part of the same subconscious pool…
9:34 PM John12Hawks: But — the point is — if you have ever wanted to stand up in your local bookstore and be an author…
9:34 PM John12Hawks: This is your chance.
9:34 PM Delta62Thorn: Sounds cool…just still screams fraud at me…
9:34 PM John12Hawks: Correct, tara.
9:34 PM John12Hawks: I want to be at your reading, Delta.
9:34 PM John12Hawks: With a purple bunny.
9:35 PM John12Hawks: Question….???
9:35 PM Delta62Thorn: Great. I’ll get through into jail for fraud…but I’ll know who the real J12H is…
9:35 PM elina: question:you claim you’ve had several out-of-body experiences.. I’ve always had trouble imagining such things being real.. so; it’s not possible you just imagined the whole thing? (no disrespect)
9:35 PM Wave: john it’s been easy for you to become such detached from vanity”? i think also about the episode in the metro with the first danish release…”
9:35 PM Polaris: would the real J12H please stand up
9:36 PM Harmony: you mention getting past/out of the whole celebrity trap.. I’d really like to take the inspiration behind your books and see it manifest as freedom and saying byebye to the police state
9:36 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Elina:if it is real or not, is not important.
9:36 PM elina: I see
9:36 PM Delta62Thorn: With my luck everyone would have a purple bunny and I still wouldn’t know.
9:36 PM John12Hawks: The issue is:how is it going to change your life!!
9:36 PM Delta62Thorn: I’ll be in jail for fraud?
9:36 PM Alluscion: are there any artists/authors/musicians that you feel are either parallel to the path you strive for, or inspire you personally?
9:36 PM Delta62Thorn: I wont do well in jail…
9:36 PM John12Hawks: What is important is how we ACT toward each other,
9:36 PM John12Hawks: not how we get there.
9:37 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Alluscion. Music is really important to me
9:37 PM John12Hawks: And I listen to everyone from Back to Radiohead.
9:37 PM elina: do you think you’re a better person since you wrote the books then?
9:37 PM John12Hawks: Bach.
9:37 PM Delta62Thorn: Liquid Soul?
9:37 PM kiakanpa: i think john is only with us for another 2 min or so – so we shall be wrapping things up shortly
9:37 PM Delta62Thorn: (jazz group)
9:37 PM John12Hawks: Answer for Elina. Not a better person. But there is less clutter in my life.
9:38 PM elina:
9:38 PM John12Hawks: Kia, let’s give it the full hour…
9:38 PM John12Hawks: If okay with you…
9:38 PM kiakanpa: ok – np
9:38 PM Delta62Thorn: I don’t know…sounds like Kia is trying to get rid of you
9:38 PM John12Hawks: Anyone else…
9:38 PM Delta62Thorn: Ever listen to Liquid Soul?
9:38 PM John12Hawks: Definitely.
9:38 PM PES: Will Newspeak win
9:38 PM Delta62Thorn: Neeto
9:38 PM Sharonna: Hope you are safe as always
9:39 PM John12Hawks: Answer for PES:No it will not win.
9:39 PM kiakanpa: lol – thanks d
9:39 PM John12Hawks: I feel that strongly.
9:39 PM Wave: stupid question – does my tattoo deserve a signed copy of one of your books?
9:39 PM Wave: lol, joking
9:39 PM Delta62Thorn: lolz no problem kiakins
9:39 PM PES: Only if we spin back
9:39 PM John12Hawks: But all of us — even a small group — are like the white blood cells — the antibodies…
9:39 PM John12Hawks: In the world.
9:39 PM John12Hawks: We keep the crap from taking over.
9:40 PM jarganscott: Well I’d like to stay and I’m sorry I haven’t been participating more, but I’m balancing checking this out and being hard at work” and I need to go.”
9:40 PM savvyjd: I must say that I am surprise to be only one of 17 people in this chat (even though I am just lurking).
9:40 PM John12Hawks: Answer to wave:send a photo to kia and I’ll send you a book.
9:40 PM jarganscott: You won’t miss me but I had a good time.
9:40 PM John12Hawks: Bye, jagan…
9:40 PM Wave: ehm john i already sent the pic to kia
9:40 PM Wave: O
9:40 PM Delta62Thorn: Yeah and our governments are an acquired immune deficiency virus…
9:40 PM kiakanpa: john – i shall forward you the photo
9:40 PM John12Hawks: It’s okay, savvyjd
9:41 PM kiakanpa: wave – email me your address
9:41 PM Delta62Thorn: Lurkers WELCOME!!!
9:41 PM John12Hawks: I have never carried about numbers.
9:41 PM tara: do you think you will be part of a movement that leads to a greater enlightenment and ultimatley a higher evolved collective?
9:41 PM John12Hawks: Another announcement…
9:41 PM Harmony: the lowest common denominator level of thinking (our madministrations)
9:41 PM John12Hawks: THE GOLDEN CITY is going to be dedicated to you, the readers.
9:41 PM John12Hawks: You have kept me going for the last six years.
9:41 PM Wave: kia:right at the end of the chat… THX JOHN
9:41 PM Sharonna: thanks for telling me when it comes out
9:42 PM Delta62Thorn: Awesome
9:42 PM Delta62Thorn:
9:42 PM Polaris: Thanks John! you rule!
9:42 PM Harmony: for my part, thank you John!
9:42 PM PES: Thanks, John, your books will move us forward, cheers
9:42 PM Wave: as i wrote on your site, your books come to me in a very significant moment… so i thank you
9:42 PM John12Hawks: Thanks to everyone. If anyone on the list, didn’t ask a question…ask it now!!
9:43 PM John12Hawks: Okay. Wonderful to talk to all of you. I hand it back to kia.
9:43 PM Alluscion: Thank you
9:43 PM Harmony: thanks so much, John!
9:43 PM susie: hes just disappeared back in a sec
9:43 PM tara: you’ve helped along the way too you know!
9:43 PM elina: it’s been an honour
9:43 PM TonyC: John – What are your plans for the next few months? Are well earned rest?
9:43 PM TonyC: A
9:43 PM John12Hawks: Answer to Tony:going to Europe and then Asia.
9:43 PM Wave: i have one last question…
9:43 PM John12Hawks: Okay.
9:44 PM John12Hawks: Go ahead, wave.
9:44 PM Delta62Thorn: *wave*
9:44 PM Wave: does the movie have some big actor/actress or pretty anonymous like i would hop?
9:44 PM Wave: hope*
9:44 PM Delta62Thorn: Hop sounded better…
9:44 PM John12Hawks: No one yet. I announce on the website.
9:44 PM Wave: i don’t need the names
9:44 PM John12Hawks: Bye.
9:44 PM savvyjd: ciao
9:44 PM Wave: ah ok
9:44 PM kiakanpa: ok thanks john
9:44 PM Delta62Thorn: Santih.
9:44 PM elina: bye!
9:44 PM Wave: bye john
9:44 PM Alluscion: Good bye
9:45 PM Delta62Thorn: Goodbye
9:45 PM tara: thanks john
9:45 PM Wave: it’s been an honour
9:45 PM TonyC: Thanks John.
9:45 PM Polaris: Bye have a great night
9:45 PM kiakanpa: thanks again for your time
9:45 PM Delta62Thorn: *group hug*
9:45 PM savvyjd: haha
9:45 PM Harmony: be well.. survival backpacks are great
9:45 PM tara: well played team!

John Twelve Hawks Chat Log (Original KiasWorld Chat)

Below is a repost of the online chat with John Twelve Hawks which took place on KiasWorld.

It is reposted here as many visitors may not have seen it on KiasWorld and as people are now coming here, rather than KiasWorld I thought it would be more appropriate.

21:00:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hello, there everyone. It’s a pleasure to finally communicate directly with all of you
21:00:54 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I want to thank Kia and Susie (round of applause)
21:01:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – For setting all this up.
21:01:03 [kiakanpa] – lol – thanks
21:01:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Unmute and let’s go.
21:01:19 [kiakanpa] – ok
21:01:22 [ZaS452] – sir, it is an honour for you to be here
21:01:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Honor to talk to you all.
21:01:33 [ZaS452] – sir, it is an honour…
21:01:52 [ZaS452] – can we call you John?
21:02:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – PLEASE call me john
21:02:06 [susie] – hi john hope u ok
21:02:09 [ZaS452] – wow wow wow
21:02:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Could we go round and announce what country we are from?
21:02:20 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Could we go round and announce what country we are from?
21:02:24 [Anna_Rosa] – England.
21:02:27 [Zachary_Goldman] – I am from the US
21:02:29 [Grichblix] – U.S.A.
21:02:29 [Via] – US
21:02:33 [Polaris-22] – England
21:02:33 [RabiaDiluvio] – US (Pennsylvania)
21:02:35 [kiakanpa] – UK
21:02:36 [Alenth] – United States, AZ
21:02:37 [TonyC1974] – London, England
21:02:38 [Jae] – USA
21:02:39 [susie] – uk
21:02:41 [ZaS452] – England
21:02:55 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Bout half and half.
21:03:05 [Sharonna_Avalon] – uaa
21:03:17 [Sharonna_Avalon] – usa sorry
21:03:26 [Anna_Rosa] – That’s the impression that you get, yeah. Half, half.
21:03:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – This has been a long journey to get here. I think we should also see this
21:03:37 [JohnTwelveHawks] – As the start of a new journey…together.
21:03:47 [Zachary_Goldman] – bout?
21:03:51 [ZaS452] – Not all of us expected to get this far…
21:03:54 [Grichblix] – let’s hope it lasts…
21:04:04 [Anna_Rosa] – Zas has a point.
21:04:09 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes, I’m an America. But, as Kia knows, I lived for a long time in UK.
21:04:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – so what do you want to know???
21:04:30 [Jae] – Why did you decide to live off the grid?
21:04:37 [TonyC1974] – Do you mind if I ask, where are you now? UK/USA?
21:04:39 [ZaS452] – Which do you prefer John? UK or USA?
21:04:56 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I have lived off the grid to different degrees at different times of my life.
21:05:14 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I think it was important to defend my own personal freedom…
21:05:23 [ZaS452] – i think that is why we are all here today
21:05:30 [JohnTwelveHawks] – If I was trying to alert others about the current attacks on freedom
21:05:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – It’s so STRANGE that so few people don’t see what’s going on.
21:06:02 [RabiaDiluvio] – There was a time in my life (back before the internet) when I lived off the grid–it was difficult to impossible back then. I can’t even imagine the difficulty now.
21:06:07 [Alenth] – Not many are looking to see.
21:06:17 [ZaS452] – They do see it…they choose to ignore it…its like a SEP field if you get the reference…
21:06:21 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The problem with living off the grid is if you have children.
21:06:29 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I am now living alone — easier.
21:06:32 [Jae] – Is it expensive?
21:06:39 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Cheaper. LOL.
21:06:46 [ZaS452] – haha
21:06:55 [Grichblix] – The question I have is if our leadership is no longer responsive to the demands or needs of the people (as certainly seems to be the case in the US) then how do you effect changes to try and preserve what rights we have left?
21:06:59 [Alenth] – Depends on your needs I should think.
21:07:09 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I think we have reached a point where…
21:07:17 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The traditional political parties.
21:07:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – do not seem to care about freedom and…
21:07:36 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The TRADITIONAL left and right are lost…
21:07:43 [Anna_Rosa] – True in the UK.
21:07:48 [ZaS452] – definately Anna.
21:07:48 [Polaris-22] – Yes definatly
21:07:51 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The right is obsessed with corporate freedom…
21:07:59 [ZaS452] – I was talking about that to people earlier.
21:08:04 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The left is lost in racial or ethnic politics…
21:08:14 [ZaS452] – The lines have been blurred-and no1 knows where they truly stand
21:08:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Correct, Z
21:08:28 [Grichblix] – they are both much more interested in the cash they get into their pockets from the corporate lobbyists…
21:08:40 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We need to come up with a Third Response which focuses…
21:08:45 [JohnTwelveHawks] – On the world that we want to live in
21:08:47 [Jae] – It seems like the original right we fought for r dissappearing
21:08:55 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And the world we want CHILDREN to grow up in.
21:08:57 [Jae] – rights*
21:09:10 [JohnTwelveHawks] – So the question is: how???
21:09:16 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And here I would say…
21:09:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We don’t have to invent the wheel…
21:09:35 [JohnTwelveHawks] – It can be gradual…not immediatel…
21:09:42 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Slowly building a unity…
21:09:51 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Any thoughts for you?
21:10:02 [JohnTwelveHawks] – FROM you LOL
21:10:09 [Grichblix] – Will that even be possible with the great machine in place?
21:10:16 [Polaris-22] – I agree you have to wake people up before they will see
21:10:23 [Anna_Rosa] – I think that that’s what we’ve been doing and should continue to do. The question for me is expansion.
21:10:24 [ZaS452] – John, as someone who is growing up in a world controlled by the Corporation and the Vast Machine (if you have read Resurrection Auto Parts, you will know that I am a dedicated believer in change), and you are someone who has lived in the world during the removal of our liberty, what do you think is more efective…active or passive resistance?
21:10:29 [TonyC1974] – Well, like someone said before . . . the fact that we are all here is the start
21:10:45 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Technology can be our helper…
21:10:52 [Alenth] – The only way we can do it is to have the public backing to enact change, which requires a lot more people than we have. Not to mention that when I first came here, certain people were not very inviting. If you take on an elitist or simply an aggressive stance towards “outsiders” you will never make a change, and will just be stuck protesting something you will be powerless to stop.
21:10:53 [Jae] – also our killer
21:11:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I agree.
21:11:08 [Grichblix] – I worry that it is getting to thr point that we need some kind of grass roots revolution to fix things…
21:11:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I would put things as follows…
21:11:26 [Anna_Rosa] – Do go on.
21:11:31 [JohnTwelveHawks] – First step is to spread the world…get a larger base.
21:11:49 [Anna_Rosa] – I’m in. That’s my department.
21:11:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And during the phase, yes…we need to be inclusive…not “nutty”
21:12:02 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Although I do like Delta’s symbol.
21:12:05 [Alenth] – Mistrust isn’t going to help us in teh least right now.
21:12:09 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Correct.
21:12:22 [Zachary_Goldman] – Yes… it takes both a sense of the big picture and the political environment, but also a sense of community and relationship on a less grand scale…
21:12:27 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And then, gradually, roll out to a more public image…
21:12:42 [ZaS452] – John, out of interest…how long are you staying here for?
21:12:53 [JohnTwelveHawks] – For about an hour.
21:13:09 [ZaS452] – A question I think we will all want to ask…will you come back?
21:13:15 [Anna_Rosa] – So we have to build some sort of framework from which we can work collectively and with purpose, surely.
21:13:16 [JohnTwelveHawks] – YES. Of course.
21:13:29 [ZaS452] – Sir, thank you
21:13:35 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Exactly, Mr. Anna…
21:13:51 [susie] – lol
21:14:05 [Polaris-22] – Yes I agree Anna and I thaught thats where the “Freerunner” group was starting
21:14:14 [JohnTwelveHawks] – One thing I’ve discussed with kia is…
21:14:28 [Whitehawk] – So the first step is to spread awareness. It seems the vast majority are oblivious.
21:14:31 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The printing of stickers that can be posted everywhere….
21:14:36 [RabiaDiluvio] – In observing my own reactions as a jaded American, I find it interesting that my initial reflex is to to dismiss this idea that there can even be change. I wonder to what extent this perception has been engineered.
21:14:37 [TonyC1974] – Is it fair to say that everyone here is prepared to ‘do their bit’ and get the message spread
21:14:56 [Alenth] – Society is its own engineer.
21:14:59 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The stickers would have a survellance camera with a bar through it.
21:15:12 [Via] – That’s a good start
21:15:14 [Zachary_Goldman] – That is awesome
21:15:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And then a link email under that. Any reaction on this idea?] ??? ?
21:15:24 [Anna_Rosa] – There are already such stickers.
21:15:28 [ZaS452] – good idea
21:15:29 [Jae] – where would we get hese?
21:15:31 [TonyC1974] – Sounds great, where do we get them?
21:15:37 [Zachary_Goldman] – where can I order some?
21:15:39 [Grichblix] – Need t-shirts too
21:15:40 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Ahhh, yes, but WE’RE going to be putting them up.
21:15:44 [Alenth] – Yeah, there needs to be a link to a site or something, otherwise it’s just another sticker,
21:15:45 [Anna_Rosa] – I’ve seen a few. But we need to make more and our own ones.
21:15:47 [Jae] – t-shirts definatly
21:15:53 [kiakanpa] – as we have discussed John – the idea has my support
21:15:56 [Via] – I’ve been working on a video too, to help generate interest in the message of kiasworld and spread awareness
21:15:59 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Alenth, yes…the link would be
21:16:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] –…
21:16:13 [ZaS452] – John, as you may be aware we are meeting in Birmingham sometime over the next months…would you or one of your representatives be interested in coming along?
21:16:15 [Polaris-22] – You can make them….. Check out the Photo bucket extra things you can make anything
21:16:25 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Because no one is going to fine me for grafitti. LOL.
21:16:34 [Polaris-22] – hahahahah
21:16:54 [chris-22] – john when can we expect your next book?
21:17:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Zas…possible.
21:17:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Questions??
21:17:09 [Alenth] – Summer next year is what the site says
21:17:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I’
21:17:23 [Anna_Rosa] – Right. That’s the first step really – we have a link to put at the bottom. And we have an idea on which to put the link.
21:17:29 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I’m about half way done on the first draft
21:17:31 [Anna_Rosa] – What about distribution?
21:17:40 [Anna_Rosa] – (not of the book – the stickers)
21:17:45 [JohnTwelveHawks] – LOL
21:17:48 [Alenth] – Make them printable
21:17:52 [chris-22] – Could you recomend any intresting books john?
21:17:54 [TonyC1974] – You have said on your website that you admire and would like to work with Banksy. The sticker idea fits in very well with that.
21:18:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I will provide and pay for the stickers…
21:18:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I will pay for mailing costs…
21:18:16 [Jae] – seriously?
21:18:22 [JohnTwelveHawks] – They will probably be mailed through Kia
21:18:30 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Jae, of course!
21:18:30 [Polaris-22] – WOW
21:18:32 [Whitehawk] – wow, thats awesome
21:18:38 [Jae] – i guess living off the grid is cheap
21:18:41 [kiakanpa] – It is no problem for me to distribute them.
21:18:46 [Anna_Rosa] – In terms of the stickers,, grafitti, etc; are we thinking of a concentrated campaign, or of a more chaotic and random one? If the former, any ideas? General thoughts?
21:18:48 [Alenth] – Making them printable would work for those of us with printers that can do then
21:18:51 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I live a VERY spartan life.
21:18:52 [chris-22] – lol how is it cheap
21:18:58 [Zachary_Goldman] – how will we get them?
21:19:06 [JohnTwelveHawks] – If you could see my flat, you would LOL.
21:19:09 [Polaris-22] – Free gift of stickers with the next book save in distrobution
21:19:20 [Jae] – lol
21:19:23 [Anna_Rosa] – Good thinking.
21:19:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I’ll figure out the mechanics of this in a few weeks.
21:19:36 [chris-22] – What kind of stickers
21:19:42 [Grichblix] – Both advertise the books and the idea… kewl
21:19:46 [ZaS452] – John-as someone who is a dedicated follower of your work, and spends pretty much every second of free tie reading and rereading your books…I have been interested in the Japanese side of the Harlequins-particularly Masamune and the Jittetsu going up to the Osaka Hotel Incident…would you let me write a story or short stories about the Japanese Harlequin…I know that book three is mainly based in Japan so i dont know if the history will come up o
21:19:48 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But can I conclude that there is a positive reacion?
21:20:13 [ZaS452] – wellnot mainly based in Japan…but there is time spent there…
21:20:14 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Book THREE will have an extended sequence with Hollis in Japan…
21:20:18 [kiakanpa] – from me there is a positive reaction
21:20:24 [Anna_Rosa] – Positive.
21:20:28 [Sharonna_Avalon] – good start
21:20:30 [Grichblix] – definitely
21:20:31 [ZaS452] – positive
21:20:31 [kiakanpa] – (as you already know)
21:20:31 [Zachary_Goldman] – very positive
21:20:34 [Via] – positive
21:20:42 [Anna_Rosa] – Cooperative too. I’m ready to help.
21:20:43 [chris-22] – how long will book three be?
21:20:45 [Whitehawk] – +
21:20:50 [TonyC1974] – Def good
21:20:54 [Polaris-22] – yep
21:20:55 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris,hold on that question…
21:21:11 [JohnTwelveHawks] – CAN ALL OF US AGREE THAT KIA
21:21:17 * susie is silent supporter
21:21:25 [JohnTwelveHawks] – will be the general international clearing house person
21:21:30 [JohnTwelveHawks] – for information???
21:21:35 [chris-22] – the fifth sacred thing by star hawk
21:21:36 [Anna_Rosa] – Sounds good.
21:21:38 [chris-22] – john
21:21:41 [Jae] – yes
21:21:41 [chris-22] – what do you mean
21:21:44 [ZaS452] – John-you are a legend!
21:21:52 [Zachary_Goldman] – yes
21:21:53 [Grichblix] – works for me
21:21:54 [Polaris-22] – Yes Kia rocks
21:21:55 [ZaS452] – I second that Kia does all the work :p
21:21:57 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris, you question about the book…in a second.
21:22:11 [chris-22] – what work are you talking about i mean
21:22:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I think that KIA is an intelligent and fair person.
21:22:24 [RabiaDiluvio] – So when do I get my official souvenier mirrored sunglasses with which to watch the watchers? *kidding*
21:22:25 [kiakanpa] – thanks zas
21:22:40 [ZaS452] – Kia you can beat me in Birmingham
21:22:46 [TonyC1974] – \
21:22:56 [Polaris-22] – haha no swords
21:22:58 [JohnTwelveHawks] – So — KIA is the site.
21:23:01 [ZaS452] – awwww
21:23:01 [TonyC1974] – sorry lent on keys!
21:23:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And we begin to spread the word…
21:23:25 ZaS452 hides his sword…
21:23:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And we begin to think about…
21:23:27 [Anna_Rosa] – In all seriousness; Kia is reliable – just look at this place and what it’s achieved – and I think it’s a good idea.
21:23:28 [chris-22] – about big brother?
21:23:42 [JohnTwelveHawks] – A physical meeting. Probably one in UK and one in US.
21:23:51 [Anna_Rosa] – Yep.
21:23:55 [Anna_Rosa] – Working on that.
21:23:56 [Zachary_Goldman] – with you?
21:23:57 [Via] – that’s a good idea
21:24:06 [Polaris-22] – Cool
21:24:08 [ZaS452] – i think we are hoping for a meeting in birmingham sometime in the next three weeks. jsut need a date and time
21:24:12 [JohnTwelveHawks] – There will also be one in Germany, but I contact them differently.
21:24:19 [Jae] – i dont really have money to spend on going somewhere, sry
21:24:36 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Jae, understand. It’s a gradual processs…
21:24:50 [Zachary_Goldman] – I am open to meeting anywhere in the US, given enough notice.
21:24:50 [chris-22] – im a bit lost, whats this meeting about?
21:24:54 [kiakanpa] – jae – where are you – i REALLY hate brum – maybe we can come there
21:25:06 [Jae] – i live in the west
21:25:14 [Jae] – near washington
21:25:17 [Anna_Rosa] – We can discuss meeting times and locations in our respective groups later. What’s important now is that there’s a general feeling that we should be meeting. Is there?
21:25:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris, this is about organizing something more political. Realize that some people
21:25:19 [ZaS452] – Kia, didnt we decide brum because it was quite central to a lot of people?
21:25:24 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Are here about the books…
21:25:37 [JohnTwelveHawks] – So…so one ask a question about the books. LOL.
21:25:40 [kiakanpa] – zas – i am not saying its not close
21:25:40 [chris-22] – i really would like to get involved
21:25:47 [JohnTwelveHawks] – good
21:25:57 [chris-22] – im out west also
21:25:58 [Jae] – why did you decide to write the books?
21:26:05 [ZaS452] – John-is Hollis going to take on a Harlequin name?
21:26:10 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I was in a great deal of pain…
21:26:11 [TonyC1974] – Can you give us a taster of book 3?
21:26:22 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Wanted to figure out myself and the world.
21:26:37 [Anna_Rosa] – (Chris, if you want to be involved, Kiasworld is as good a place to start as any. You’re welcome, I’m sure. Talk to Kia or myself later.)
21:26:38 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The funny thing is…a GREAT deal of the books is from my life…
21:26:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But everyone calls it “fantasy]
21:26:56 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Or SciFi
21:27:04 [ZaS452] – ain’t it a bitch lol
21:27:11 [Jae] – well theweirdest things usually turn ou to be true
21:27:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Jae, correct.
21:27:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I would say if you told me
21:27:42 [chris-22] – john do you think if you went public and revealed your name that you could have a more active role in trying to change the problem. I know you have allready done alot and made people realize the problem with big brother through your books. Any thoughts?
21:27:42 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Four years ago that I would be doing this…
21:27:54 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I would say: “what ARE you drinkiing??”
21:27:59 [Jae] – lol
21:28:02 [ZaS452] – haha
21:28:09 [Polaris-22]
21:28:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I have several names.
21:28:14 [RabiaDiluvio] – lol
21:28:27 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I really want to see if…
21:28:30 [Grichblix] – no names here… plz..
21:28:41 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We can form something that comes from us…our concerns…
21:28:52 [JohnTwelveHawks] – That is not connected to one person…
21:28:57 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Or even a few people…
21:29:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The moment you depend on a single person…
21:29:10 [Alenth] – It’s going to be hard to disconnect this from you.
21:29:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – That person will be compromised…attacked…or removed.
21:29:32 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Alenth…I agree.
21:29:33 [ZaS452] – Martin Luter King Jr. Michael Collins.
21:29:48 [Whitehawk] – Its much harder to remove an idea
21:29:49 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But the advantage with me is…you don’t have to deal with my past,
21:29:49 [Jae] – the moment you feel securein this world you are vunerable
21:29:53 [Alenth] – People regaurd you as a major icon here, but you are a busy person, and we can’t afford to have a leader that only rarely speaks to us directly.
21:29:57 [JohnTwelveHawks] – personal baggage…
21:30:04 [chris-22] – so are you saying that one of the reasons you didnt reveal your name is becaue of safety concerns
21:30:06 [chris-22] – ?
21:30:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Ex-wives…whatever. LOL.
21:30:14 [RabiaDiluvio] – I also think that you need to distance this from the “group politics” of the left (in America at least) in order for it to be taken seriously
21:30:22 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Rabia…
21:30:25 [JohnTwelveHawks] – AGREED.
21:30:29 [Anna_Rosa] – Look; I’m up for forrming a group. I’m personally tired now, after a few years, of sitting around and whining about things. There are plenty of people out there who would be supportive if they knew about things like this – people doing this sort of thing – and I’m ready to get moving and organise. I think that that opinion is shared here, yes?
21:30:44 [Jae] – yes
21:30:45 [Alenth] – So you think that to this movement, you should be an idea, and not really as an individual.
21:30:50 [TonyC1974] – Yes
21:30:51 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes, do we agree with Anna’s statement??
21:31:00 [Jae] – yes
21:31:00 [chris-22] – yes!
21:31:04 [Via] – yes
21:31:07 [ZaS452] – yes
21:31:08 [RabiaDiluvio] – I would be supportive.
21:31:18 [Polaris-22] – Yes
21:31:20 [Grichblix] – the whole point of the movement is the idea… to start with anyway… and yes, I agree
21:31:25 [JohnTwelveHawks] – What problems do you see…and how can I help this move forward??
21:31:26 [Whitehawk] – yes
21:31:31 [RabiaDiluvio] – I think the problem is that as a group people are willing to stand against what they feel they cannot individuall
21:31:33 [RabiaDiluvio] – y
21:31:35 [kiakanpa] – perhaps we could carry on this discussion at a later date – i think others have questions and John is only here for another 30 min
21:31:44 [RabiaDiluvio] – that was clumsily worded, but…in numbers people will stand up
21:31:45 [JohnTwelveHawks] – OKAY.
21:31:55 [chris-22] – i see organzation as a big problem and also how could we get more people involvecd.
21:31:59 [Alenth] – I can get behind this. Actually, it might improve my life a great deal to be involved in SOMETHING, so I hope we go somewhere with all this talk.
21:32:03 [Grichblix] – I’ve got one… do you think there is a “real” tabula?
21:32:08 [ZaS452] – Yes.
21:32:14 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris, Alenth, Etc…
21:32:17 [Anna_Rosa] – (Alenth, same)
21:32:22 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Get people interested…
21:32:24 [Jae] – maybe
21:32:30 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Then focus on one key issue…
21:32:36 [kiakanpa] – interesting question Grich…
21:32:38 [JohnTwelveHawks] – One where you know you’ll get support…
21:32:44 [Alenth] – Many of my friends are really republican.
21:32:51 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Alenth…
21:32:52 [chris-22] – people feel like security trumps privacy
21:32:56 [ZaS452] – John…as someone who has lived in Tibet…what do you think of the present situation in Tibet atm?
21:33:03 [Grichblix] – it’s important… is there a group that is actively trying to deprive us of our rights and liberties?
21:33:05 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Say to them “this is the one issue…freedom..that we all can agree on”
21:33:14 [Alenth] – although when it comes down to it that’s more because they value freedom as well, they just go with a mainsteram.
21:33:16 [Jae] – well everyone likes privacy ets focus on that
21:33:17 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I get attacked by both the left AND right…LOL.
21:33:43 [chris-22] – john, how can we compete with fear?
21:33:43 [JohnTwelveHawks] – there is going to be one or two key issues…
21:33:53 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Where people are going to have to pick sides…
21:34:04 [RabiaDiluvio] – To be attacked by people on both left and right is a sign that you have common sense.
21:34:08 [Anna_Rosa] – (This isn’t so much a political matter as a social one, no?) And sorry, John, go on.
21:34:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] – One might be the mandatory DNA testing of children..
21:34:20 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Anna, yes…
21:34:21 [ZaS452] – when people pick sides, we will be on the fence with spikes up our arses lol
21:34:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – A social movement…with political implications.
21:34:46 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Question?
21:34:52 [ZaS452] – John…as someone who has lived in Tibet…what do you think of the present situation in Tibet atm?
21:35:07 [Alenth] – This movement is going to end up adopting several ideas far to each side, and a good number of moderate ideas. Then a few that are just new.
21:35:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – It’s awful. REALLY bad. In one of my other identities, I’m highly involved with this…
21:35:27 [Anna_Rosa] – (It already has, Alenth.)
21:35:35 [Alenth] – Well I just got here, sorry.
21:35:49 [Anna_Rosa] – Haha, I wasn’t snapping at you.
21:35:52 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Quesition.
21:35:52 [chris-22] – john have you ever got to vist with the dali lama
21:35:55 [Grichblix] – Do you think there a group that is actively trying to deprive us of our rights and liberties?
21:35:59 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris, yes.
21:36:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Grich..
21:36:21 [Jae] – John have you ever committed a major crime?
21:36:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – There are many groups, but it’s best…
21:36:34 [chris-22] – i was just reading the story of how they chose the dali lama its really intresting
21:36:40 [JohnTwelveHawks] – If you focus on ONE issue that people will support.
21:36:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Question.
21:37:02 [Alenth] – I doubt anyone is actively doing it for the sake of removing freedoms, they all do it under the banner of protecting something or other. We’d need to stick with things that people are less touchy about.
21:37:07 [Zachary_Goldman] – good question, gritch. i have a lot of friends that firmly believe there are.
21:37:17 [Anna_Rosa] – If that means having several groups that cooperate but which each deal with specific issues independantly, John, do you think it vcan work?
21:37:18 [chris-22] – They do it for power!
21:37:18 [Grichblix] – My concern is that if there are groups trying to deprive us of our liberties, then they are a serious concern, and may try to stop us.
21:37:45 [Anna_Rosa] – (in terms of our doing something, I mean)
21:37:46 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I think that we should focus on finding common ground for our first…
21:37:50 [Jae] – how would they stop us?
21:37:52 [JohnTwelveHawks] – public, street organization…
21:37:52 [Zachary_Goldman] – …not saying i know either way, but it is interesting to think about
21:37:57 [Grichblix] – incarceration for one…
21:38:23 [ZaS452] – john, there has been talk of a film version of the traveller…earlier we were discussing about how if it was done by Hollywood the message may be lost…Would you allow a group of us from this website or something to be involved with the production of it? As diehard fans…and people who share your fear…we may have a better image or ideas of how the characters and the film should be presented….so would you let us?
21:38:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But this needs to be something that most of us (not all) can get behind.
21:38:33 [Anna_Rosa] – And, John, what do you personally think would be a good focus issue?
21:38:40 [TonyC1974] – Is there any chance you’ll work/collaborate with Banksy?
21:38:42 [Alenth] – We need to be able to find better reasons to not get rid of freedoms as the opposition has to get rid of them. Try thinking about freedoms that are under attack and the arguments being used.
21:38:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Anna, anything involving children…
21:38:57 [JohnTwelveHawks] – or teenagers…
21:39:00 [Jae] – Yes i agree
21:39:07 [ZaS452] – I’m a teenager John
21:39:09 [chris-22] – the traveler would make an amazeing movie! do you have plansto make a movie
21:39:13 [kiakanpa] – i think zas & Tony have both raised good questions
21:39:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Banksy…is making demands LOL.
21:39:23 [Anna_Rosa] – Good thinking, Alenth. And thanks John.
21:39:25 [Alenth] – People are really touchy about children, some things involving them would kill us to go after, others might work well.
21:39:40 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Alenth, yes…it needs thought.
21:39:44 [Anna_Rosa] – True.
21:39:45 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Re the film…
21:39:46 [Alenth] – Like, if we went after an assault on freedom that is generally associated with protecting children
21:39:56 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I fired the current group…
21:39:59 [Alenth] – it would be political suicide
21:40:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And am looking for a European…
21:40:07 [Anna_Rosa] – That’s true.
21:40:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Director who gets the vision.
21:40:26 ZaS452 waves hand going im european! but ive never directed
21:40:31 [chris-22] – im telling you the movie would be an instant hit!]
21:40:42 [Polaris-22] – Definatly
21:40:43 [Jae] – i would see it openin night
21:40:51 [Alenth] – Hahah I went to see Jumper, which I felt was terrible as a reader of the original book, but the movie made me think more about Traveller than Jumper.
21:41:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hollywood is more dangerous and corrupt than the EVergreen Foundation. LOL
21:41:06 [Anna_Rosa] – Directed well it could achieve a lot. But it really is about direction.
21:41:06 [ZaS452] – haha!
21:41:06 [Jae] – lol
21:41:07 [chris-22] – lol
21:41:07 [Via] – it would be a hit, no doubt, but at what risk to the message?
21:41:08 [RabiaDiluvio] – lol
21:41:13 [chris-22] – some of them are good people
21:41:18 [ZaS452] – this is what we are saying Via
21:41:26 [ZaS452] – a hollywood film may ruin the message
21:41:27 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Can we move toward some conclusions here…
21:41:32 [chris-22] – knowing john he would keep the message
21:41:34 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I would say three of them…
21:41:42 [Anna_Rosa] – go on.
21:41:44 [chris-22] – which ones?
21:41:44 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We are going to use KIA as a base…
21:41:45 [TonyC1974] – If you/we could get Banksy on board. People will stand up and follow
21:41:47 [RabiaDiluvio] – I know that Orson Scott Card has been trying for years to get Ender’s Game to a director who wouldn’t throw in a teenage love story and other shmaltz
21:41:57 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We are going to spread the word…including stickers.
21:42:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And some of us (not all) are going to see about
21:42:10 [chris-22] – John
21:42:16 [Jae] – I think we should fous on the actions of “Big Brother”
21:42:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – A face to face meeting. Three conclusions.
21:42:19 [Anna_Rosa] – Yes – to both ideas, John.
21:42:22 [Polaris-22] – Agreed
21:42:27 [Anna_Rosa] – Agreed.
21:42:28 [ZaS452] – Agreed
21:42:29 [chris-22] – qucick question what should the stickers say
21:42:38 [ZaS452] – SAY NO
21:42:40 [ZaS452] – lol
21:42:47 [chris-22] – we need to think about that
21:42:54 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris…I was thinking…
21:42:58 [kiakanpa] – ok – i have just muted you all again
21:43:03 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The bar and camera symbol…and…
21:43:06 [kiakanpa] – (except john
21:43:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – (I will put up link to KIA) and…
21:43:25 [JohnTwelveHawks] – A slogan like…
21:43:36 [JohnTwelveHawks] – They’re watching you. Fight the Vast Machine.
21:43:41 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Open to suggestions here… LOL.
21:43:44 [kiakanpa] – john – would you like to go over the three points again?
21:43:55 [kiakanpa] – just so people are clear
21:43:59 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Okay, Kia. We have the time.
21:44:16 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Point one: Kia will be the information clearing house.
21:44:30 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Point two: we will begin to spread the word…
21:44:43 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Through a variety of means. Friends. Stickers. Internet.
21:45:05 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Point three. A few of us will organize a face to face meeting. One in UK. One in USA
21:45:09 [kiakanpa] – ok everyone unmuted
21:45:12 [TonyC1974] – Any good graphic designers out there that can help?
21:45:19 [Grichblix] – Kia as base, yes. Spread word w/ stickers, yes. Face to face meeting, maybe.
21:45:19 [Jae] – sounds good
21:45:31 [Anna_Rosa] – I’m up for all three.
21:45:34 [ZaS452] – John…re the film…i would lvoe to be involved…is there anyway i can talk more about it to you?
21:45:43 [Jae] – i know some people who are really go with graphic design
21:45:45 [TonyC1974] – Is the UK meet going to be Birmingham? All 3 sound good to me
21:45:45 [Anna_Rosa] – And I’m willing to get my teeth into UK meetings.
21:45:45 [Via] – I like the idea of all three points^
21:45:54 [ZaS452] – i would love to direct…and i am sure that there are plenty of people here who would lvoe to help
21:45:55 [JohnTwelveHawks] – zAS…film is way down the line.
21:46:03 [ZaS452] – ok then
21:46:03 [Alenth] – A satirical sticker would be interesting, though satire is sort of aggressive
21:46:11 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I’m trying to get Maya out of HELL.
21:46:13 [Via] – I’d be willing to help organize the US meetings later on
21:46:14 [Anna_Rosa] – Satire works.
21:46:20 susie laughs at zas
21:46:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Via, thank you.
21:46:29 [Polaris-22] – hahaha poor Maya
21:46:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Via, like your site.
21:46:35 [ZaS452] – ok…John…do I have your permission to edit the book into a filmscript?
21:46:39 [kiakanpa] – john – me and delta actually discussed that one
21:46:49 [Zachary_Goldman] – questions: How will we get the stickers, etc? How will we organize the meetings? How will we know how to get with others on Kia?
21:46:49 [Via] – site?
21:47:03 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I will mail stickers to Kia in a few weeks.
21:47:12 [TonyC1974] – Satire and street art. Killer combination!
21:47:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Things are slow with me because
21:47:15 [chris-22] – WE need to get an email list of people intrested…..
21:47:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Of maildrops and use of cash.
21:47:25 [Zachary_Goldman] – Kia will have our mailing info?
21:47:27 [Anna_Rosa] – The meeetings can be organised in seperate online meetings.
21:47:34 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Chris…
21:47:39 [Alenth] – I sort of assumed matthew was going to get maya out of there.
21:47:49 [Jae] – i am not comfortable giving my address out
21:47:52 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Be VERY careful about public mailing info…
21:47:56 [RabiaDiluvio] – John: an ad link for the stickers/site on the website might be beneficial. Many people of a like mind there.
21:47:57 [Via] – John, I have a question: I’ve discussed with Kia and a few others on here about making a video promoting the message of kiasworld and spreading awareness. What do you think would be a good message to promote in the video?
21:48:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Jae, agreed…
21:48:11 [Zachary_Goldman] – ok… how/when can i meet others from the US online? This is my first KIA visit
21:48:12 [JohnTwelveHawks] – People will contact kia as individuals.
21:48:16 [chris-22] – just n email we can create one just for thi
21:48:17 [chris-22] – s
21:48:28 [ZaS452] – John…can I have an autograph?
21:48:34 [Via] – lol zas
21:48:35 [kiakanpa] – zach – i shall discuss later but other US people use kiasworld
21:48:35 [chris-22] – lol
21:48:41 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Zas, one of these days…
21:48:48 [Zachary_Goldman] – ok
21:48:51 susie laughs at zas again
21:49:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I want to say one last thing…
21:49:08 [ZaS452] – Can I also write a story-with your permission-about Masamune and the JIttetsu?
21:49:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – About organizations, etc…
21:49:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – It should be fun…exciting…
21:49:30 [chris-22] – how do we know you wont get a forensic scientist to analyze johns writing.
21:49:34 [JohnTwelveHawks] – It shouldn’t be an obligation…
21:49:42 [Polaris-22] – Hell yeah!
21:49:48 [kiakanpa] – muted again for J12h last point
21:49:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – you should feel like you are expressing yourself…
21:49:57 [JohnTwelveHawks] – That you aren’t asleep…
21:50:11 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And that you are the coolest person on the bus. lol.
21:50:21 [RabiaDiluvio] – lol
21:50:27 [Anna_Rosa] – Right on.
21:50:38 [TonyC1974] – Hell yeah!!!
21:50:38 [Jae] – thank you john for talking to us
21:50:45 [kiakanpa] – Thank you very much for the time you have given us here John
21:50:47 [RabiaDiluvio] – Will we do this again?
21:50:49 [ZaS452] – John…thank you for this…I hope we can do this again on a more regular basis
21:50:52 [Anna_Rosa] – And yes, the same. It’s been a pleasure.
21:50:53 [Polaris-22] – Thanks John it was a pleasure
21:50:53 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Jae, it’s a pleasure. And we still have 10 min.
21:50:57 [Zachary_Goldman] – yes. thank you.
21:51:03 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Don’t shut me off yet…
21:51:05 [Sharonna_Avalon] – stay safe please
21:51:08 [ZaS452] – lol
21:51:08 [Anna_Rosa] – Okie dokie.
21:51:12 [Polaris-22] – HAHA
21:51:13 [pilotious] – Thanks John
21:51:16 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Sharonna…
21:51:17 [chris-22] – john can you recomend any other intresting books?
21:51:17 [kiakanpa] – muted again
21:51:35 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I am VERY aware of that problem. Hate mail has been rising in last few months.
21:51:37 [kiakanpa] – ok i shall go down the list of users for last questions
21:51:45 [kiakanpa] – is that ok john?
21:51:49 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes.
21:52:02 [kiakanpa] – alenth?
21:52:06 [kiakanpa] – any q’s?
21:52:11 [kiakanpa] – you have voice
21:52:18 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We’re going down the list…
21:52:19 [Alenth] – I have nothing at the moment, I was thinking though.
21:52:35 [Alenth] – pass me
21:52:37 [kiakanpa] – shall we come back
21:52:41 [kiakanpa] – anna?
21:52:54 [kiakanpa] – anna you have voice
21:53:07 [kiakanpa] – anything?
21:53:12 [JohnTwelveHawks] – While we are waiting…
21:53:24 [kiakanpa] – no – chris
21:53:26 [Anna_Rosa] – Questions; not really. But I would like to ask if there can be further discussion. You’re a very insightful person?
21:53:27 [chris-22] – John can you recomend any intresting books?
21:53:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I will say: not a single theory about who I am..
21:53:32 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Is true.
21:53:40 [JohnTwelveHawks] – They keep looking for a writer…
21:53:50 [kiakanpa] – ok – a couple there
21:53:53 [JohnTwelveHawks] – My background has a lot of issues…
21:54:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – in politics like this.
21:54:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Anna.
21:54:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes, we will talk again. Promise.
21:54:37 [kiakanpa] – grich
21:54:43 [kiakanpa] – sorry – im slow
21:54:53 [kiakanpa] – are we on grich?
21:54:54 [JohnTwelveHawks] – You’re doing great, KIA.
21:54:57 [kiakanpa] – you have voice
21:55:01 [Grichblix] – no questions, just concerns… If there is a group out there
21:55:16 [kiakanpa] – shall we cover that after
21:55:28 [kiakanpa] – jae
21:55:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – yes, cover this issue later…
21:55:31 [Jae] – will you ever reveal your true identity?
21:55:34 [kiakanpa] – jae you have voice
21:55:38 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Jae…
21:56:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – When it doesn’t make any difference, WHO I am…
21:56:11 [JohnTwelveHawks] – When people are focusing on the ideas…
21:56:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And the ideas have their own power…
21:56:25 [Jae] – i know, just cuous
21:56:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And that time…yest.
21:56:41 [kiakanpa] – ok jason
21:56:42 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I’m the guy sitting next to you on the tube.
21:56:51 [kiakanpa] – the floor is yours
21:56:59 [kiakanpa] – anything?
21:57:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hi, jason..
21:57:15 [kiakanpa] – no – ok we move on
21:57:31 [kiakanpa] – ok – pilotious
21:57:34 [kiakanpa] – anything?
21:57:39 [pilotious] – noq’s,but thankyou
21:57:53 [kiakanpa] – ok – polaris
21:57:55 [Polaris-22] – Do you think that the middle ground can be found between the need for servalence and the need for freedom?
21:58:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Polarias…
21:58:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes, I do…
21:58:37 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But we need to be the force that makes the public realize what is going on…
21:58:43 [Polaris-22] – We just need to shout alot first
21:58:46 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And make real choices.
21:58:59 [JohnTwelveHawks] – It is the passivity that drives me nutters.
21:59:12 [JohnTwelveHawks] – nutters is a delta word. lol.
21:59:24 [Polaris-22] – or the (bunny)
21:59:26 [kiakanpa] – lol
21:59:41 [kiakanpa] – ok rabia
21:59:44 [RabiaDiluvio] – How do we keep from being dismissed as kooks from the outset (nutters for you UK folks )?
21:59:46 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We need to shout and tell them why they should care.
21:59:55 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Rabia…
22:00:14 [JohnTwelveHawks] – That’s why the issue(s) we pick are important…
22:00:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I
22:00:30 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I have already gotten into this issue on my website.
22:00:46 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Example: a certain group says that 9-11 was a fake.
22:01:02 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The problem with that: is that if you say it, people will shut down and not listen.
22:01:17 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Instead of arguing about secret missles…
22:01:28 [JohnTwelveHawks] – We need to focus on the real things going on right now.
22:01:33 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The loss of our freedom.
22:01:44 [kiakanpa] – oh sharonna
22:01:52 [kiakanpa] – ^ok
22:01:52 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hi,Shar…
22:01:53 [Sharonna_Avalon] – yes
22:02:04 [Sharonna_Avalon] – big smile
22:02:24 [kiakanpa] – any question?
22:02:47 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Everyone gets one this time out…
22:02:56 [kiakanpa] – ok susie
22:03:06 [kiakanpa] – sorry john – we are running over
22:03:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hi, susie…
22:03:10 [susie] – hi john no questions but many thanks for being here.could u possibly be a woman???ok just the one question.
22:03:11 [JohnTwelveHawks] – No problem.
22:03:23 susie hugs john
22:03:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I am not a woman. Promise.
22:03:32 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Not a native American.
22:03:38 [susie] – i believe u
22:03:43 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Not a movie star or any other celebrity…
22:03:47 [kiakanpa] – lol – ok – tony?
22:03:55 [TonyC1974] – Sorry to keep going on about Banksy and book three. Hope you got the book I sent you? Any chance of a snippet from book three? Love and respect to all.
22:04:05 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I got the book, Tony.
22:04:22 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Banksy is busy…I may go with a
22:04:32 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Graffitti crew in London.
22:04:46 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Thanks, tony.
22:04:53 [kiakanpa] – via?
22:04:58 [Via] – yes
22:05:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hi,via.
22:05:21 [Via] – Just about what i asked before,w ith the video project I’m working on. I was owndering if you’d have any input for it, for me to add?
22:05:44 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Will it be up on the Internet when it’s done???
22:05:48 [Via] – yes
22:06:12 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I helped a friend shoot a political documentary…
22:06:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – If you shoot footage live…get a good sound man/boom mike.
22:06:40 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I look forward to your film…
22:06:55 [Via] – it’s going to be more of a promotion for kiasworld
22:07:00 [Via] – to help generate interst
22:07:14 [Via] – do you have any words for me to use?
22:07:19 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Make it symbol…visually powerful…and some good music.
22:07:32 [kiakanpa] – ok – whitehawk – any questions?
22:07:35 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Make iT simple…that is…
22:07:48 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hawk to hawk…
22:07:53 [Whitehawk] – lol
22:08:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Anything.
22:08:16 [Whitehawk] – have you ever had an out of body experiene
22:08:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes.
22:08:27 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Several times.
22:08:32 [Whitehawk] – thought so
22:08:38 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But I have been meditating for a very long time.
22:08:53 [kiakanpa] – do you wish to elaborate John?
22:08:59 [Whitehawk] – please do
22:09:06 [kiakanpa] – or shall we move on?
22:09:06 [Whitehawk] – elaborate that is
22:09:06 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Unfortunately, when I come back in my body…George W. is still president.
22:09:12 [kiakanpa] – lol
22:09:14 [Whitehawk] – lol
22:09:20 [kiakanpa] – ok – zach
22:09:25 [Zachary_Goldman] – Yes, thanks. I know this is probably something you cannot answer here… but can you teach us more how to live “off the grid?” Or suggest where we can learn the “in’s and out’s,” so to speak?
22:09:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Hi, Zach.
22:09:31 [Zachary_Goldman] – hola
22:09:55 [JohnTwelveHawks] – This will be gradually shown on the johntwelvehawk site.
22:10:08 [Zachary_Goldman] – ah. message board?
22:10:15 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Realm four.
22:10:30 [kiakanpa] – on a side note – a few of us are currently working on some ‘off the grid’ content for kiasworld
22:10:45 [Zachary_Goldman] – OK. i will look for that on both! Thanks! And Kia… how cna I get more info for the three points?
22:10:47 [JohnTwelveHawks] – That’s great!!
22:10:58 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Anyone else??
22:11:04 [kiakanpa] – i shall stay on after zach
22:11:11 [kiakanpa] – ok zas then alenth
22:11:22 [kiakanpa] – zas first
22:11:22 [ZaS452] – God now im nervous…
22:11:38 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Nah, you’re fine.
22:11:43 [kiakanpa] – you’ll do fine
22:12:07 [ZaS452] – John, firstly, it has been an honour talking with you, having been a member of Resurrection for a long time, and getting involved with ths…i think its incredible to actually talk to you
22:12:09 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Discribe yourself, John. I have a lot of scars (true)
22:12:15 [ZaS452] – and imblabbing…
22:12:23 [ZaS452] – but what I wanted to ask was…
22:12:49 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Okay…
22:13:00 [kiakanpa] – do you want us to come back zas?
22:13:04 [ZaS452] – as I am a writer…do I have your permission to write stuff about the Traveller…Masamune, other Harlequins, etc etc
22:13:18 [ZaS452] – could i edit your books into scripts?
22:13:27 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Yes. Please do. Just get a website and put it up.
22:13:36 [ZaS452] – well i have a fictionpress site
22:13:41 [JohnTwelveHawks] – But do not do anything that looks like a film script…
22:13:43 [ZaS452]
22:13:52 [kiakanpa] – lastly – i promised alenth i would go back to him.
22:13:55 [ZaS452] – i would put it up there…or maybe post it on here…
22:14:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I have promised my agent…I will stay away from that.
22:14:07 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Any other fiction is fine.
22:14:11 [kiakanpa] – ok alenth
22:14:15 [kiakanpa] – anything?
22:14:17 [Alenth] – Hmm… actually, I’m thinking about how we are fighting something that is, according to the government, fully legal. As such, we can’t just go up to the Supreme Court and have them overturn it. People aren’t going to get behind us as easily because of that, and they will call us crazy. What do you think is the best thing to say to them? Especially when they don’t actually feel threatened by what is going on, or don’t see it at
22:14:25 [Alenth] – I sort of finished that up when I was waiting
22:14:50 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Rather than arguing with people, we need to present ourselves in a way that says:
22:15:01 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Why can you NOT join us?
22:15:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] – That being said, in a practical sense…
22:15:17 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The people interested in this will be under
22:15:23 [JohnTwelveHawks] – The age of 35.
22:15:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Why is that?
22:15:37 [Alenth] – any older and they are tired
22:15:38 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Because they see what is going on CLEARLY.
22:15:48 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Tired…yes!!! LOL.
22:16:00 [JohnTwelveHawks] – So focus on under 35.
22:16:00 [kiakanpa] – ok – thank you very much for this John
22:16:08 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Is that it?
22:16:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – If so, final statement??
22:16:19 [kiakanpa] – I think we have covered everyone
22:16:26 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Final statement…
22:16:34 [kiakanpa] – ok
22:16:43 [JohnTwelveHawks] – When I end my essays on…
22:16:56 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I’ve started to say: “your friend, John.”
22:17:04 [JohnTwelveHawks] – I consider you my friends…
22:17:13 [JohnTwelveHawks] – And, one way or another…
22:17:24 [JohnTwelveHawks] – This is going to be a REALLY interesting journey together.
22:17:29 [kiakanpa] – everyone is unmute
22:17:32 [Jae] – you rock John!
22:17:40 [ZaS452] – John…you are a legend!
22:17:42 [kiakanpa] – thanks John
22:17:46 [Polaris-22] – THANKS JOHN!
22:17:46 [Grichblix] – thank you John
22:17:47 ZaS452 hugs the digital John
22:17:49 [Via] – thank you so much, John. It’s been great talking to you!
22:17:53 [Whitehawk] – thanks so much
22:17:57 [Alenth] – Thanks
22:18:00 [TonyC1974] – Cheers John. You truely do inspire me and it seems many like minded intelligent people.
22:18:09 [JohnTwelveHawks] – Be well. Bye.

34 Convicted in Display At U.S. Supreme Court

From the Washington Post:

D.C. Superior Court Judge Wendell P. Gardner Jr. said the demonstrators violated the law by protesting at the plaza of the Supreme Court, where such activities are banned. He rejected arguments that they were practicing free speech when they marched to the plaza…. During a three-day trial, prosecutors presented a videotape that showed several officers warning the protesters to remain on the sidewalk, where demonstrations are legal, or risk arrest.

Oh come on. They didn’t stay on the sidewalk? They get 2 months in jail because they didn’t stay on the sidewalk? And who decided to make demonstrating in front of the Supreme Court illegal, anyway? They are the guardians of our rights, and we’re not even allowed to protest in front of them? Sigh….

Are the watchers being watched?

“Not even MPs are exempt from the surveillance state they have created, notes regular columnist Bill Thompson.
Members of the British Parliament have been shocked to discover that one of their number was bugged by the secret service, violating the forty-year old “Wilson doctrine” that offers MPs immunity from the sort of snooping they are happy for the rest of us to be subject to.”

I guess that there is a form karma going on here. Read the rest of Bill Thompson’s article here.

Chip implants mooted for UK prisoners

The Ministry of Justice is planning to solve the crisis in the UK prison system by fitting prisoners with surgically implanted tracking chips, claims the Independent on Sunday, citing a senior Ministry official. The chips, claims the paper, would be used to keep order in prison and to enforce home curfews.

Anyone seen the film 'fortress'?

Read the full article here